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buggery ([personal profile] buggery) wrote2005-08-15 03:33 am

Public Service Announcements

PSA for newcomers to fandom:
Here's how to tell when there's no longer any point in continuing a discussion with someone over points about which you disagree. If they assert, "As a general rule, I won't wade through any mass of PWPs unless they directly involve my favorite character (of any given fandom)" and then, not 45 minutes later, in the same post, aver, "You might be surprised to learn I skim, at the very least, every fic that comes through my LJ filters or email groups, for the past eight years" ...you can be fairly sure that an argument between yourself and such a person could go on, yes. But nothing productive is likely to come of it. (If you're wondering what or who I'm talking about, have a look around here. You'll find it.)

General PSA:
I've been thinking since Saturday night about the Steph and Tim in the Crime Syndicate of America universe as posited by Te. Mostly about the sex they have. And I think I want to write some.

That's right. I'm going to write het fic. I'm going to write het fic about Tim Drake.

[identity profile] ficbyzee.livejournal.com 2005-08-15 08:30 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, dear. *pets you, and forces myself to ignore said argument for the sake of my sanity*

Dude! I'm writing het fic about Tim Drake, too! Isn't it terrifying?
ext_6171: Nightwing pressing the back of a hand melodramatically to his brow (actually unconscious; cropped comic panel) (red red Robin)

[identity profile] buggery.livejournal.com 2005-08-18 10:04 am (UTC)(link)
The first word that comes (heh... /12) to mind is 'hot' -- but yes, 'terrifying' is RIGHT THERE. Of course, I'm working with a particularly terrifying Tim to begin with, but still.

Do tell me more about yours. I'm on AIM even at Te's (at least when she isn't signed on).

[identity profile] raveninthewind.livejournal.com 2005-08-15 12:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I try very hard not to get sucked into pointless debates in fandom. I admit if I think there's room for discussion, it sometimes tempts me. But I find it gets easier all the time to tell when an exchange of opinion is going to turn into to one of those ::headdesk:: situations, and I quicky avert my eyes.
ext_6171: Nightwing pressing the back of a hand melodramatically to his brow (actually unconscious; cropped comic panel) (the Jack)

[identity profile] buggery.livejournal.com 2005-08-18 10:05 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, that's pretty much what you have to do.
ext_1843: (snark)

[identity profile] cereta.livejournal.com 2005-08-15 01:12 pm (UTC)(link)
There are some arguments I look at and try very hard to understand, so that I might, if not persuade the person to my point of view, at least arrive at some greater mutual understanding.

And then there are the arguments that I look at, roll my eyes, and say, "Whatever."

What a yutz. I wave my mother-in-law in their general direction via icon.
ext_6171: Nightwing pressing the back of a hand melodramatically to his brow (actually unconscious; cropped comic panel) (genderfuck)

[identity profile] buggery.livejournal.com 2005-08-18 10:37 am (UTC)(link)
::nods:: The worst part, and what I really hate about the state of the current kerfufflation (it's a word if I say it is!) re gender-and-comics, is when there are people with opposing viewpoints who genuinely are interested in trying to understand each other's positions, and maybe achieving that 'greater mutual understanding,' but we're drowned out by all the people yelling about how 'the other side' is evil, wrong and stupid.

It reminds me of something that happened during the Camp Trans event at the 1999 Michigan Womyn's Music Festival. Assorted trans-folk camped out across the street from the festival land, inviting anyone who wanted to over to talk, but mostly just being there in protest of MWMF's anti-trans policy. Some individual transpeople crossed the picket, as it were, to attend workshops or visit vendors or grab a shower, or whatever, and some of the official festival attendees got downright (for lack of a less-loaded term) hysterical about it, to the point of sending little girls around the camp as runners warning women that there were men with naked penises invading the festival. So then Camp Trans orchestrated an actual little parade, with an escort of festival-attendee women, to walk along the main loop of road and then leave again. And later that evening, the festival organisers set up a meeting on festival land, under a big tent, for festival-goers and Camp Trans people to have an open discussion. A lot of that got fairly heated, but it was kept reasonably civil by having people only talk during their own turn, based on a sign-up sheet that got handed around throughout the discussion. But about an hour into this really landmark sitting-down-and-trying-to-listen-to-each-other event, some random festival attendee walked up near the outside of the tent and started yelling, 'You're raping me! You're raping me! Stop raping me!' Which, well, was about as useless a contribution to the debate as could be imagined.
mtgat: (Timmy)

[personal profile] mtgat 2005-08-15 01:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Admitting to writing het --- it's the new "admitting to writing slash." ;)
ext_6171: Nightwing pressing the back of a hand melodramatically to his brow (actually unconscious; cropped comic panel) (woobie batman)

[identity profile] buggery.livejournal.com 2005-08-18 10:37 am (UTC)(link)
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[identity profile] rubynye.livejournal.com 2005-08-15 02:14 pm (UTC)(link)
*sends Steph swinging through your journal ion celebration*
ext_6171: Nightwing pressing the back of a hand melodramatically to his brow (actually unconscious; cropped comic panel) (Cass/Steph [blank by Te])

[identity profile] buggery.livejournal.com 2005-08-18 10:38 am (UTC)(link)
Steph back atcha!

[identity profile] cosmicastaway.livejournal.com 2005-08-15 02:35 pm (UTC)(link)
You're so silly. There's no such thing as het-Tim-fic.





Is there?

Geez, you're...you're scaring me. :3
ext_6171: Nightwing pressing the back of a hand melodramatically to his brow (actually unconscious; cropped comic panel) (geek chic!)

[identity profile] buggery.livejournal.com 2005-08-18 10:40 am (UTC)(link)
Um... infinite diversity in infinite combinations seems like a Timmish truism to me...?

[identity profile] cosmicastaway.livejournal.com 2005-08-18 02:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Those big words make Kon dizzy, so Kon's going to disregard that.

*before Tim can explain the truism, is snatched up by Cosmic's OTP, and flies away...*

Mmmmmmmm.

(Sorry. Cosmicastaway is in denial.)

[identity profile] raveninthewind.livejournal.com 2005-08-15 03:10 pm (UTC)(link)
The Te's Tim/Steph is hawt.

I'm just saying it's not just you who's been converted.

So if you write some, yay!
ext_6171: Nightwing pressing the back of a hand melodramatically to his brow (actually unconscious; cropped comic panel) (Batman (Te made this))

[identity profile] buggery.livejournal.com 2005-08-18 10:54 am (UTC)(link)
The Te's Tim/Steph is hawt.

A-MEN.

::blames it all (fairly!) on her::
brownbetty: (Pigtails in inkwells)

[personal profile] brownbetty 2005-08-15 04:18 pm (UTC)(link)
I love this fandom sooo much. IT MAKES PEOPLE WRITE HET. ITS MOJO IS THAT POWERFUL.
ext_6171: Nightwing pressing the back of a hand melodramatically to his brow (actually unconscious; cropped comic panel) (I Love My Dead Gay Robin (Jason))

[identity profile] buggery.livejournal.com 2005-08-18 10:59 am (UTC)(link)
Well, you know. Jason het is easy.

(frozen comment)

[identity profile] kkglinka.livejournal.com 2005-08-16 04:04 am (UTC)(link)
Mm hm. That would be because I'm a compulsive reader, but not a compulsive searcher. Stick it in front of my nose and I'll skim it (unless the header warns me of something I know I don't like). Ask me to go through archives though... I need a motivation. Who really goes through the archives for a fandom that doesn't interest them searching for "that those few good ones" when there's a billion fic on the net? I think that's a silly expectation.
ext_6171: Nightwing pressing the back of a hand melodramatically to his brow (actually unconscious; cropped comic panel) (MR long hair)

(frozen comment)

[identity profile] buggery.livejournal.com 2005-08-18 11:04 am (UTC)(link)
Whatever.

I stopped answering your comments in your LJ post when your comments replying to mine ceased being *in response* to what I was saying, as opposed to continuing to rant from your soapbox without making any attempt to engage what *I* was saying. A dialogue has to be participatory on both sides, or it isn't a dialogue.

Now we're in my journal. I'm not any more interested in perpetuating exchanges of pointless vociferation here than I was there.