Well. There's a distinction between what I read in NC-17 fanfiction about the characters, and what happens to them in canon -- at least, there is for me.
That I can see. I don't really agree, but I can see it.
Or, to put it another way... does anybody read "The Killing Joke" and think what Joker did to Barbara was hot and kinky? Would it have been hot and kinky to Barbara? (Even if you go with the least gah interpretation, and presume Joker just stripped her naked and took photographs.)
... bad analogy. It takes one fuck of a lot for me to think "hot and kinky" about *anything* Joker-related, which you already know. If Killing Joke was a fanfic, it would have the same effect on me that it does now -- "Eeek. Great story, but fucking eeek."
Was what Catalina did hot and kinky for Dick? Or was it something that happened because he just didn't know how to stop it -- like so much else that's happened in his life lately?
I think maybe that's why it bothers me so much, beyond the non-con and gender issues... Catalina is perpetuating a pattern that has meant only heartbreak, pain and loss for Dick. Either it's unforgivably stupid, or it's outright cruel.
I don't think it's unforgiveable -- but I do think it was egregiously stupid. And I also think it was hot, and fucked-up, and sick, and *bad* for Dick. I don't know, Jack. Find some other canon example. It wasn't healthy, mutual sex, but it also wasn't shooting Dick in the spine and molesting his paralyzed, bleeding body.
Looking at it from Catalina's POV...? It's not so hard to see why *she* (probably, since we don't know what's happening next beyond solicits) wouldn't see the wrong in what she did.
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Re: NW comments
Date: 2004-05-19 08:40 pm (UTC)That I can see. I don't really agree, but I can see it.
Or, to put it another way... does anybody read "The Killing Joke" and think what Joker did to Barbara was hot and kinky? Would it have been hot and kinky to Barbara? (Even if you go with the least gah interpretation, and presume Joker just stripped her naked and took photographs.)
... bad analogy. It takes one fuck of a lot for me to think "hot and kinky" about *anything* Joker-related, which you already know. If Killing Joke was a fanfic, it would have the same effect on me that it does now -- "Eeek. Great story, but fucking eeek."
Was what Catalina did hot and kinky for Dick? Or was it something that happened because he just didn't know how to stop it -- like so much else that's happened in his life lately?
I think maybe that's why it bothers me so much, beyond the non-con and gender issues... Catalina is perpetuating a pattern that has meant only heartbreak, pain and loss for Dick. Either it's unforgivably stupid, or it's outright cruel.
I don't think it's unforgiveable -- but I do think it was egregiously stupid. And I also think it was hot, and fucked-up, and sick, and *bad* for Dick. I don't know, Jack. Find some other canon example. It wasn't healthy, mutual sex, but it also wasn't shooting Dick in the spine and molesting his paralyzed, bleeding body.
Looking at it from Catalina's POV...? It's not so hard to see why *she* (probably, since we don't know what's happening next beyond solicits) wouldn't see the wrong in what she did.