Yeah, I agree to a point; but where, really, is the humiliation? You have a community which has a dominant ideology - one where slash is cool and perving at cartoon characters is considered normal. And being female is the status quo. What's humiliating about a marginalised person (that is to say, a male comics fanboy) denigrating your views, when your views are those the majority holds? I understand the concerns of women who feel attacked and marginalised in their offline lives, feeling that somehow they're now being attacked and marginalised in their own space - home invaded, as it were - but they're not *alone* in those communities. You - I'd say "we" but I'm not in that fandom - rule the school. In fact one could stretch the argument further and say those guys are the "queers" in your society. Being that upset by them points to fundamental disbelief in the strength of the dominant ideology.
As for "needing to feel we can speak up for ourselves and defend our own spaces" - I concede, that's important for a lot of people, particularly women. It's a bit different for me, possibly, because I'm a middle class educated white New Zealander and nobody ever told me to shut up because nice girls don't talk back. We have sexism, of course, but I really don't suffer in any way shape or form from being female, and never have. Maybe if I was a third world woman it might be slightly different. But then I wouldn't be on the internet.
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Date: 2005-01-09 12:03 am (UTC)As for "needing to feel we can speak up for ourselves and defend our own spaces" - I concede, that's important for a lot of people, particularly women. It's a bit different for me, possibly, because I'm a middle class educated white New Zealander and nobody ever told me to shut up because nice girls don't talk back. We have sexism, of course, but I really don't suffer in any way shape or form from being female, and never have. Maybe if I was a third world woman it might be slightly different. But then I wouldn't be on the internet.