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This will go down in history as The Week Everyone Dropped ROBIN In Disgust (Who Hadn't Already More Wisely Dropped It Months Ago, Or Who Didn't Get This Month's Without Realising Their Mistake And Will Thus Be Dropping It Next Month).

I've been buying the title despite apoplectic distaste for Willinghamfucktard's not just bad but *increasingly* bad writing. (The fact that I don't care for the style of Damion Scott's art has not helped.) Having been watching the paroxysms of rage across my friends page for the last two days, however, I've decided enough is enough.

Sales of the title have already been dropping since the new team took over. So much for the alleged marketing genius of the "stunt" a girl Robin turned out to be. The massive "War Games" crossover couldn't save ROBIN, the two-month crossover with BATGIRL that followed couldn't save it, and now that there's no other writer to pull Willinghamfucktard's storylines up, he's apparently even worse.

I'd been gritting my teeth and buying ROBIN every month largely because of the crossovers, and also because I'm a completist, but furthermore because I didn't think my boycott of the title would do any good.

That was before I saw the numbers.

Edited to Add:
As of the December 2004 sales figures, ROBIN had already dropped to #47 on the list of the top 100 best-selling comics titles. That's in contrast to NIGHTWING at #38 and OUTSIDERS at #36, both of which ROBIN used to handily out-sell. TEEN TITANS and BATMAN were at #21 and #22.


If people continue not spending their money on the title, DC will get a worthy writer on ROBIN again. (Just look at ACTION COMICS, for a slightly problematic but still-applicable example.) They have to already be seeing the writing on the wall, so every person who stops plunking down their money every month -- especially if they're taking ROBIN off a pull-list or cancelling a subscription -- will be another nail in the coffin.

I haven't been to my comischop yet this week, and I haven't read any actual spoilers for #134, but I have to have seen at least two dozen people ranting about how insanely bad it was, and nobody playing devil's advocate. I know how to read the writing on the wall, too.

I'll be making a point of saying I was warned about the new ROBIN issue, reading it in the store, letting my full boiling-rage reaction express itself, and then apologising to my comicshop guy when I ask to have it taken off my pull list. (Shops do base their orders in part on customers' pull lists, so anytime someone drops a title the shop winds up with 1-3 months of issues that customer will probably no longer be buying.) Fortunately I'll be picking up at least two if not three titles I hadn't before, this week, as well as putting in a TPB order, so I won't feel too bad about it.

Edited to Add:
If, like me, you've continued buying Willinghamfucktard's ROBIN partly because you don't want gaps in your collection? Drop it anyway. As many unwanted copies of these issues are being printed, we completists will be able to wait a few months and buy the ones we're missing at cut-rate back-issue prices.

Also, I've now been to the comicshop and read ROBIN #134 in the store without purchasing it. Expect a rant to be forthcoming...

Date: 2005-01-27 09:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] minim_calibre
I have to think of a title to replace it with. Oh, wait. I can replace it with Action, as I'll be adding that. Well, there you go! No guilt.

It's not just bad, it's astonishingly, comically bad.

Ass indeed.

Date: 2005-01-27 11:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] calicojane.livejournal.com
Believe me, there is no reason for guilt. No one who has actually seen this isue will hold your fleeing in horror against you. It's basic survival instinct really, meant to protect you from uncontrollable vomiting and self-inflicted eye-sporkage. It's just that bad. And I should warn you that reading it in-store will likely get you strange looks. But that's understandable, what with the turning purple and sputtering incoherently. I had one bystander ask if I needed water. If you suffer from high blood pressure, migraines, or any type of heart condition, I don't advise cracking the cover (which is horrible enough on its own) at all.

This PSA Brought To You By:
The Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Comicsfen Everywhere.

Date: 2005-01-27 11:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sage
Orders for mainstream titles go in two months in advance, so the books shipping in January were ordered in November. If Diamond allows stores to do order reductions on Robin, then there won't be assloads of #135-137 on shelves...but I'm not sure what the requirements are for that.

The important thing is that people grab a shelf copy of something of equal or greater value. I mean, we can always reorder more of anything that's still in print and we can always donate large amounts of overstock to charity. What we can't do is make up that income if people simply choose not to spend that allotted $2.50. On a title as large as Robin, that can add up to quite a lot of money for a locally owned/operated small business.

Interestingly, in the Dan Didio interview at Newsarama today, he says the following about fans voting with their pocketbooks:
Fans speak to us very simply – they buy our books. If they buy our books, we know we’re doing the right thing. If we don’t buy our books, we know we’ve gone wrong somewhere, and we will continue to try and improve ourselves until we’re creating what people want to buy.

Of course, Didio's totally known for his doublespeak, but even he understands that money is the bottom line.

Date: 2005-01-28 03:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] derryderrydown.livejournal.com
I was dicussing Robin with my FLCDude - he's already halved his Robin order. Even so, there was a huge chunk of unsold issues sitting on the shelf.

Date: 2005-01-28 03:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anothersuperboy.livejournal.com
Might also suggest writing DC directly, telling them you are dropping the title (how you are a long time fan, yadda, yadda) and tell them why. Maybe if they get enough of those letters coupled with dropping sales they will replace the team. Otherwise, I would wonder if they would just drop the title all together, figuring people are getting their Robin fix from Teen Titans and his other Bat guest appearances.

Date: 2005-01-28 05:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] danielleleigh.livejournal.com
I recently dropped Powers and I felt guilty but when I went to actually tell the shop-keeper I still had *two* books ready for me. I really, really, REALLY did not want to pay for them but I would have because like you I felt like I made a committment. The guy just shrugged and assured me he would just put them back on the shelf.

Dropping a title sometime seems embarrassing but it is a product that *we* buy so if we don't like the product we shouldn't feel quite so guilty about doing the equivalent of subscribing to buy it (which is what a pull list really becomes - a subscription).

Or so I tell my self...

link me to a rant?

Date: 2005-01-28 06:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mecurtin.livejournal.com
I'm not deeply emotionally invested in Robin, so I'd like to stare at the train wreck. Where can I find a rant/review/explanation of the current issue?

Date: 2005-01-28 08:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] some-stars.livejournal.com
The numbers involved in everything comics are so *tiny,* compared to what we're used to with TV and books and that sort of thing, that it's very startling--to me, anyway--to realize that, say, you and all your friends doing something can have an *actual effect.*

But it can! So stop buying books you hate, everybody!!!

Date: 2005-01-28 12:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karabou.livejournal.com
You know, thank god. Everyone has been so bitter and rude about buying Robin that it made me *want to buy it* just to spite them. I'm really glad to know I'm not the only one who was buying it so I'm not made to feel like I'm the only retard out there (and that's not me saying you are one, just that it's how other people have made me feel about it). I've been buying it for the very same reasons you listed. (Also, as much as I dislike Robin right now, it's still *canon*, and I like to keep up with what's going on.)

But yeah, 134 was about as awful as it could be, and if sales really are that bad, and getting worse (where did you find the sales numbers? I haven't seen anyone link to that) than I will take it off my pull list. I really hadn't thought little old me buying a comic would make a difference (and I thought writers were contracted for a certain amount of time.. although, I suppose if they were and sales were bad, they wouldn't re-contract them). But hey, if this actually helps get Willingham gone, I am all for it.

Date: 2005-01-28 07:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sanitylapse.livejournal.com
I had already made the decision to stop buying Robin now that New Blood is over. (and really? you're not missing much if you just skip them.)

However I have this terrible fear that, when sales drop drastically as they are bound to, instead of doing the smart thing and pulling Willingham off the title, they will cancel it.

Still won't buy anymore Willingham titles though.

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